angelgazing | my girl is the queen of 10 villages; we live on the fruits of her pillages

(1) Ouch, fucking, ow.
(2) Today is not my day.
(3) My love for this song could move mountains, right now.
(4) Photoshop is uncooperative. Icons defeat me.
(5) Writing is hard.
(6) I should never make the mistake of thinking I'm doing something well.
(7) Nothing will work. Nothing.
(8) I've got 13 days. 5 fics and 13 days.
(9) I'm not thinking I'll win this time.
(10) Please to start using "that're" because I like it and need to not be odd anymore. Turns out odd doesn't work if no one bloody well likes it. No one does. I've done a poll.
(11) We think all of life is a funny joke/ She's sharp as a tack/ I don't care if I never get back.
(12) Sirius is a bastard.
(13) Does POV change the language of your narrative? The style? Please tell.
(14) I hate the winter. It's too cold, and my hair gets staticy and shit happens.
(15) My girl is the Queen of the Savages
(16) Alan Tudyk can be my international man of mystery anytime he likes.
(17) I miss Supernatural already. Six weeks is ass. The WB is ass.
(18) I'm talking to myself again. This won't end well.
(19) My uncle used the phrase "your Anderson Cooper" today.
(20) I've lost track of what anything says about me. Maybe you can say something about me instead. ::waits::

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Photoshop is uncooperative. Icons defeat me.

Aw, I told you, it's a hard one. I haven't been able to make it work, and I suck way more than you do at iconning.

Does POV change the language of your narrative? The style? Please tell.

Of course it does. Sirius doesn't sound like Remus, Lily doesn't sound like James. Certainly in Firefly, Inara doesn't sound like Kaylee or Mal, and vice versa. A tight third person narration should be in that character's voice, nearly as much as their dialogue is (though somewhat more grammatical, is my preference). Second person works for characters like Remus or Snape, who keep themselves distant emotionally, and would be likely to narrate their own lives.

Hermione would probably be a straight-forward, no frills narrator, but Luna would give you all sorts of stream of consciousness stuff. River might come unstuck in time.

Aw, I told you, it's a hard one. I haven't been able to make it work, and I suck way more than you do at iconning.

I'm really not sure it's possible to suck more than I do at iconning, honestly. Here's what I came up with, but really, feel free to not use them.

A tight third person narration should be in that character's voice, nearly as much as their dialogue is (though somewhat more grammatical, is my preference).

Here's where I think we differ, because for me so much of the narrative with as close as I keep the POV is just a step away from being dialogue. I can't take that step back for some reason, because when it loses that in my writing, it loses its emotion.

River POV is easy, easy for me, because the way her mind works just seems to fit so easily into the way that I actually write. It'd probably make Luna easy enough too, but... ::shrugs::

Thank you so much! They're gorgeous!

Here's where I think we differ, because for me so much of the narrative with as close as I keep the POV is just a step away from being dialogue.

Sure, I agree, but sometimes it's not, and sometimes I think narration needs just a bit more formality.

Heh, they aren't, but you're welcome just the same? ::shrugs::

sometimes I think narration needs just a bit more formality.

I think there's a fine line here though. It's really easy yo make the narrative too formal, and then it starts to feel very clinical. Very "See Spot Run. Run, Spot, Run."

There's a lot of space between making the narration sound exactly like the thoughts in someone's head and "See Spot run," and that's more than a simple matter of being a little less idiomatic or using proper punctuation, both of which help communicate the story, which is the point of writing it.

(13) Does POV change the language of your narrative? The style? Please tell.

Yes, it does, you have make people 'see' a certain scene in way that fits with the character and what s/he knows, for example if your POV is a six year old child, and found too people pressed together in a hallway maybe he'd think "oh, so he needs his mommy to hold him to sleep too..." whereas a 15 year old would jump to the crudest (and probably right) conclusion that they're going at it like bunnies.

That was a stupid example, but you get the idea XD

Oh, I get the idea. I mean, I know that the language of my narrative changes. I know that for a lot of people it does. It just seems that sometimes it... doesn't. And I have to wonder if that's sort of a... not good thing.

I explain badly. lol

Does age make the biggest narrative change? Does gender? Does Rowling manage to make a narrative voice change obvious without it being too obvious, in the few scenes where it's not really from Harry's POV? I've got so many questions... ;)

Yeah, it changes a lot, at least for me. I mean, if you wrote a, say, torture scene about the DE's; the poor guy being cruci'd would be scared to death, and would see in greater detail due to panic, and the DE in question would probably be thinking what a jolly time he's having and whether he should have spaghetti or raviolis for dinner.

Gender do matters, but not as much as age, or the knowledge of that person. For example, I wrote a gen fic a while ago from Ron's POV, and while it was fun to describe a TV and a cable ended up being a 'noodle', it was also frustrating; and that happens with Harry's POV, we only get stuck with what he believes to be true, so a chapter like 'Spinner's End' could have never been watched from an objective (or possible, actually) point from his eyes. (and if you think about it, in that chapter we don't get an insight to someone's mind at all)

I've been thinking about chapters like Spinner's End, and the opening of Goblet of Fire. And how I clearly need to reread HBP. But really, even in the opening of GoF, where it was from the caretaker's POV, a lot of it was also kind of Harry, since it was his dream.

It's a tricky, tricky thing, POV.

I mean, I know, obviously, that the narrative is going to be different if I'm writing a story that's close third with Dean than if I was doing the same with Sam. I find certain characters easier to write for that reason. It's just a matter of degrees, I guess. How much should it change and so on.

Mmmm... the Magnetic Fields bring me joy, too.

And he is your Anderson Cooper, isn't he? Don't you two have something going ;)?

Oh, I would certainly like to think so, but many, many people feel the need to remind me of his all-but-admitted gayness.

::sulks::

I find it terribly unfair, personally. I mean look! Look at how pretty he is, counting things on his fingers!

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